Podcast episode
Let's Get Encyclical
TL;DR
This is a discursive, philosophy-heavy episode built around the Pope's new AI encyclical, with hosts Adam (buy-side, Chalice) and Gareth (sell-side) using it as a springboard to debate AI's labor impact, "AI slop" on LinkedIn, and AI chatbot relationships. The genuinely useful ad-tech content comes in the back half: a sharp argument that enterprise advertisers need bespoke, per-advertiser decisioning models (the "hedge fund vs. brokerage" framing) rather than aggregated AI averages, plus skepticism that ChatGPT and X/Grok ads will be meaningful near-term revenue. Worth listening for the decisioning-architecture argument and the open-source AI/agentic media-planning takes; skippable if you only want hard news.
What was covered
- The Pope's AI encyclical — The hosts walk through its key planks: a call for government regulation of private AI companies, worker protection/retraining, warnings against treating humans as "metrics," fears of new economic inequality, loss of meaningful work, and manipulation of truth. They note someone from Anthropic was reportedly involved/standing next to the Pope, scoring it points as "the more moral AI company."
- AI liability and OpenAI lobbying — Adam argues procedurally generated content is still generated content, so AI firms should carry liability; he criticizes OpenAI for lobbying for liability exemptions, contrasting with Meta's user-generated-content (UGC) shield.
- "Industrial Revolution for white-collar workers" — The thesis that LLMs (large language models — AI that generates text) uniquely threaten knowledge workers (writers, lawyers, consultants/"McKinsey consulting," deck creation) rather than manual labor, and that this may make agencies dramatically more effective rather than obsolete.
- "AI slop" and the LiveRamp/Publicis deal — They cite the Publicis acquisition of LiveRamp as "the first barrage of AI-generated commentary in our industry," with thousands of detectably AI-written LinkedIn posts (tells: "curious," "it's not an X, it's a Y," the "consolidation play / wake up with your ID company owned by a competitor" narrative).
- AI-generated affiliate ads and chatbot affairs — Discussion of "talking toe fungus" AI affiliate ads and a cited BYU study claiming a large share (roughly 3–4 of 7) of committed adults had used an AI chatbot for sexual content in the past week; Adam notes Claude (Anthropic) refused such prompts, framing it as "constitutional AI."
- Per-advertiser decisioning vs. aggregated models (the core ad-tech segment) — Extended debate on why averaging campaign data across advertisers produces mediocre results. The "Coke vs. Pepsi" example: both sell soda but need opposite outcomes (steal each other's drinkers), so an averaged model gives the wrong answer. Chalice's pitch: train per-advertiser, with brand experts in the loop, using historical data only as a "spine" for scoring.
- Brokerage vs. hedge fund framing — Adam compares ad networks/platforms to brokerages (decisions averaged across customers, platform self-interest) and custom advertiser models to hedge funds (one pure strategy brought to market without averaging). Big advertisers should bypass the "platform aggregation layer."
- Execution layer vs. control layer — Adam recants his old "direct = bundled, programmatic = impression-level" framing, arguing all inventory trades at the impression level; what matters is how far the advertiser sits from the execution layer and whether that layer can do dynamic per-advertiser valuation. He warns money is pouring into the "control layer" (automated guarantees, direct-sales automation) while the execution layer — where ROI/ROAS is actually won — is neglected.
- OpenAI and X/Grok ad revenue — Bets that neither ChatGPT ads nor X/Grok ads will hit $1B in their first year. Reference to SpaceX's S-1 reportedly projecting X (Twitter) ad revenue rebounding above ~$2B driven by xAI/Grok, versus the ~$4B at acquisition that was halved partly by suing advertisers. Note that OpenAds (a startup, not The Trade Desk's product) pivoted to running a DSP after finding LLM-conversation ad CTRs weak outside a small high-intent subset.
Notable claims & predictions
- Adam: "The thing I hate most about OpenAI is that they have lobbied against liability... your system is generating these things, like there is responsibility." Frames AI-generated output as legally distinct from platform UGC.
- Adam: "This one seems kind of like the Industrial Revolution for the white collar workers... it's the automation of word selling." Predicts LLMs hit engineers, lawyers, consultants — but argues agencies will be made far more effective, not eliminated.
- Adam: "No one is coming to the agency and say I want the average of your aggregated wisdom... the average of aggregated wisdom is gonna be abundantly available." Argues agencies' proprietary aggregated data is not the moat people think — per-advertiser modeling is.
- Adam (Coke vs. Pepsi): Normal architecture "will give the same output for Coke and Pepsi... but what you actually have to do is get Coke drinkers to switch to Pepsi" — so models must be trained per-advertiser against the real brand outcome, using shared data only as a scoring "spine."
- Adam: "It is how far away is the advertiser from the execution layer... the farther away the advertiser is from the execution layer, the worse the valuations, the lower the ROAS, and — the kicker for publishers — the less money they're going to spend." Ties decisioning architecture directly to publisher revenue.
- Adam: "I will take on any company that's building something internally based on their own LLM... against what my team is building just using Claude Co-work and existing MCP connections" — bets in-house multi-
Full analysis
Decision Council — Briefing Mode
Step 1 — Frame
This episode isn't news; it's two practitioners (buy-side and sell-side) thinking out loud. Strip the Pope and the chatbot-affair tangents and one real argument remains, worth an executive's attention:
The implication for ad-tech operators: The value in AI-driven advertising won't sit in aggregated, averaged-across-everyone models — it will sit in per-advertiser decisioning that sits close to where the ad actually gets bought (the "execution layer"). If that's right, the moat that platforms and agencies claim — "we have everyone's data" — is worth less than they think, and money currently flowing into deal-automation tooling (the "control layer") is being pointed at the wrong problem.
- Reversibility: N/A for the reader directly. But the bets this implies (where to invest engineering and where to position product) are Type 1 — roadmap commitments are hard to unwind.
- What's actually being decided: Where you place your AI bets — averaged scale models vs. bespoke per-advertiser ones, and control-layer (automating the sale) vs. execution-layer (winning the impression).
- Timeline: No forcing function. This is a 12–24 month positioning thesis, not a this-quarter event.
No clarifying questions needed. Proceeding.
Step 2 — The Council
The Skeptic The load-bearing assumption is that "the average of aggregated wisdom" is about to become a commodity. That's a leap. Aggregated data is hard to assemble, govern, and keep fresh — that is a moat for the company that has it, even if a model can be cloned. And the Coke-vs-Pepsi example proves less than it claims: any competent platform already lets you optimize toward your conversion event, not an industry average. Adam is describing a strawman architecture and then beating it. In plain terms: he may be selling a problem that the better platforms have already half-solved.
The Operator Per-advertiser models sound great until you staff them. "Brand experts in the loop" for every client means humans, not just GPUs — and that doesn't scale to the long tail of mid-market advertisers who fund most of the ecosystem. By 90 days the cracks show: cold-start problems for new advertisers with no history, model drift nobody's watching, and a services bill that looks like a consultancy, not software. The hedge-fund analogy cuts the wrong way — hedge funds are expensive and don't scale to retail. For an informed outsider: bespoke is better per client but brutal to run across thousands of clients.
The CFO The genuinely useful line for my P&L is the execution-vs-control layer point. Translation: lots of capital is chasing tools that automate the paperwork of buying and selling ads (control layer), while the place where return on ad spend is actually won or lost — the moment-of-bid valuation (execution layer) — is comparatively under-invested. If true, that's a contrarian place to point R&D dollars, because everyone else is crowding the easier, more demo-able problem. The Grok/ChatGPT ad-revenue skepticism also matters: don't model new-channel ad dollars into 2026 plans. Sub-$1B first-year bets are the safe assumption.
The Long-Term Thinker Three years out, the durable insight here is the unbundling of the "platform aggregation layer." If big advertisers can stand up their own decisioning on commodity models (Claude + standard connectors) and sit closer to the auction, the strategic question for every DSP, SSP, and agency is: what do you own that the advertiser can't rent? The answer increasingly has to be supply access, identity, and measurement truth — not "our smart averaging." Agencies that reposition as builders of bespoke client models survive and may thrive; agencies defending aggregated-data superiority are defending a melting asset.
Step 3 — The Tensions
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Is aggregated data a moat or a melting asset? The Skeptic says assembling and governing everyone's data is itself defensible. The Long-Term Thinker says the model layer commoditizes and the advantage erodes. This is the whole episode in one fight.
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Does bespoke beat scale, or just beat scale for the top 50 advertisers? The Operator says per-advertiser modeling is unstaffable across the long tail; the thesis only holds for whales who can afford a hedge-fund-style setup. Everyone else still needs the averaged "brokerage." So both can be true depending on which advertiser you're talking about.
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Where's the under-invested opportunity — control layer or execution layer? The CFO buys the execution-layer argument as a contrarian bet; the Skeptic suspects control-layer money is flowing there because execution-layer optimization is genuinely hard and already crowded with incumbents.
Step 4 — Synthesis
What this hinges on: Two beliefs. (1) Will frontier models commoditize fast enough that "we have the best aggregated model" stops being a defensible pitch? (2) Can per-advertiser decisioning be operationalized for anyone below the top tier of spenders without a consulting-sized headcount?
Which way the council leans: Split, but usefully. The episode's strategic instinct — position close to the execution layer and treat aggregated-data superiority as decaying — is directionally right and worth internalizing. Its operational claim — bespoke per-advertiser models for everyone — is oversold and probably only economic for large advertisers in the near term.
Net read on impact: Low as news, medium as a strategic prompt. Nothing here moves a number this quarter. But the framing is a useful stress-test for three reader groups:
- Agencies / holdcos: Stop selling "our data scale." Start selling "we build and run your model." The Publicis–LiveRamp "AI slop" sidebar is a tell — the market is narrating consolidation faster than it's proving value. Don't confuse the narrative for the moat.
- DSPs / SSPs / platforms: The "brokerage with house interests" critique will get louder. Expect large advertisers to push for more control over decisioning and more transparency into valuation. Defensibility migrates toward supply, identity, and measurement.
- Publishers: The most actionable line is the chain "advertiser-far-from-execution → worse valuations → lower spend on you." Anything that lets buyers value your impressions more precisely (cleaner signal, better integrations) directly raises what they'll pay.
What to verify before betting on this:
- Run the Coke-vs-Pepsi test on your own stack — can buyers already optimize to their own outcome, or are you actually averaging? If the former, the thesis is half-solved and overstated.
- Cost out one bespoke per-advertiser model end-to-end including human-in-the-loop. If it pencils only for 8-figure accounts, you've found the real boundary.
- Discount Grok/ChatGPT ad revenue to roughly zero in near-term plans. The OpenAds pivot (weak CTRs outside high-intent queries) is the signal worth trusting here.
What did we miss? Is there a persona we should add for this specific decision? A General Counsel could be worth adding — the episode's AI-liability argument (generated content isn't user content, so the model maker should carry responsibility) is a live regulatory thread that could reshape who's exposed when AI-built creative or decisioning goes wrong.
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